Doctor Shares Psychic and Spiritual Stories of Healing with Rod Chelberg

Aug 26, 2023

Doctor Shares Psychic and Spiritual Stories of Healing with Rod Chelberg

Rod Chelberg, MD, practiced General Internal Medicine and Emergency Room Medicine for over 25 years. He was the medical director at St. Joseph’s Hospital, Beacon Hospice, and nursing homes in the Bangor, Maine area. He lectures on topics of mysticism and A Course in Miracles. He is author of When God Calls, Say “Yes!”: A Physician’s Experience of Mystical Guidance. His website is drrodchelberg.com.

Rod Chelberg shares several stories of being guided by a divine presence in the emergency room, ICU, and end-of-life care as a physician. He describes how we are all mystics and can quiet our minds to awaken spiritual gifts, let love flow, and walk in peace.

00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:10 Psychic and spiritual gifts
00:14:32 Seeing inside the body
00:20:03 Quieting the mind
00:31:28 Massive stroke
00:41:02 Angels and orbs
00:46:34 Birthing into heaven
00:59:48 Positive attitude
01:12:50 Spirituality and medicine
01:21:00 Conclusion

Edited subtitles for this video are available in Russian, Portuguese, Italian, German, French, and Spanish.

New Thinking Allowed CoHost, Emmy Vadnais, OTR/L, licensed occupational therapist, is an intuitive healer and health coach based in St. Paul, Minnesota. She is the author of Intuitive Development: How to Trust Your Inner Knowing for Guidance With Relationships, Health, and Spirituality. Her website is https://emmyvadnais.com/

(Recorded on June 29, 2023)

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11 -> Thinking Allowed, conversations on the leading

16.078 -> edge of knowledge and discovery, with psychologist

21.48 -> Jeffrey Mishlove.

28.88 -> Hello and welcome.

30.4 -> I'm Emmy Vadnais, co-host with Jeffrey Mishlove.

34.72 -> Today we'll be focusing on a doctor who shares

38.192 -> psychic and spiritual stories of healing.

41.22 -> My guest is Rod Chelberg, a physician who has practiced medicine for over 25 years.

47.16 -> He was a medical director for a hospital, nursing homes, and hospice.

51.88 -> Now he is an adjunct faculty member in the

54.914 -> biomedical engineering program at the University

58.3 -> of Maine.

60.06 -> He also assists people with spiritual guidance,

63.549 -> lectures on topics of mysticism, and a course

66.82 -> in miracles.

68.42 -> He is author of When God Calls, Say Yes, A

72.493 -> Physician's Experience of Mystical Guidance.

76.66 -> Rod is located in Banger, Maine.

79.22 -> Now I'll switch over to the internet video.

84.06 -> Welcome Rod.

85.06 -> It's a pleasure to be with you on New Thinking Allowed today.

87.42 -> Hello, Emmy.

88.42 -> Thank you so much for having me on your New Thinking Allowed program.

93.38 -> This is really helping me to share my experiences

96.646 -> that are rather unique with a lot of people.

99.52 -> So I want to thank you for creating this program and again for having me on it.

104.46 -> You have been a physician for over 25 years.

107.78 -> In fact, you and I even share a background

110.673 -> of having worked at the same hospital, Abbott

113.7 -> Northwestern here in Minneapolis.

115.94 -> Correct.

116.94 -> Yes, I trained in internal medicine and ICU

120.923 -> medicine, hospital medicine at Abbott Northwestern.

125.54 -> That was back in 88 to 91.

128.5 -> So it's a nice hospital.

131.06 -> When did you first discover that you had psychic and spiritual gifts?

135.22 -> Well, it started after I had, in second grade,

138.494 -> I had a very bad strep infection that went

141.42 -> into my kidneys and shut it, shut my kidneys down.

145.34 -> So I was in the hospital for a couple of weeks.

148.5 -> And during that time, I had what's called a near-death experience.

152.38 -> I had an allergic reaction to penicillin, which was the antibiotic they were treating

156.86 -> me with.

158.34 -> And what happened was I stopped breathing.

160.26 -> My lungs just tightened up and I tightened up.

163.46 -> So at the moment, I was in second grade, about seven, eight years old.

168.46 -> And I started to close down.

170.94 -> Everything became black and I thought, I'm going to die.

174.1 -> And this fear of death came to me.

177.02 -> Well, everything became black.

179.1 -> I couldn't see anything.

181.26 -> What happened is this pinpoint of light came and the light started to get brighter.

186.7 -> I started to float up out of my body and go towards that light.

191.3 -> And it got brighter and brighter.

194.18 -> Fear left me and I was left with a feeling

196.565 -> like, I'm going home, I'm going back to where

199.06 -> I belong.

201.34 -> Halfway there, I was suddenly pulled back into my body and didn't know what happened.

206.86 -> But I started breathing again, started moving air.

211.14 -> It was the most profound experience that I had.

214.94 -> And I just thought it was a dream.

217.82 -> And I didn't realize that I had several divine gifts planted into me.

223.46 -> One of the gifts was the psychic ability that

227.347 -> they talk about of seeing colors on people.

230.98 -> So I could see three colors on your heart.

233.9 -> I could see red, green, and blue.

236.58 -> I didn't know what that meant and my friends certainly didn't see colors.

240.94 -> Later in life, I learned that red is divine love, blue is divine creativity, and green

246.9 -> is divine life.

248.78 -> So they're all aspects of the divine that I could see.

252.7 -> I didn't do anything with that gift for a long time.

255.14 -> I just let it go.

256.46 -> My friends didn't see them.

258.9 -> And they thought maybe I was a little crazy.

261.1 -> So being one that wants approval, I let them go.

266.14 -> The second gift that I was given was the ability

269.952 -> to leave my body at will and float up out.

273.22 -> And my first few trips were around the bedroom.

277.38 -> But then later I went around the farm.

280.46 -> And then finally, I found that I could travel

282.739 -> all the way to Paris, which is something I

284.82 -> wrote about in my book, that experience.

288.58 -> Again, at that time, after the Paris trip, I

291.958 -> suppressed that and stopped working with it.

295.26 -> That gift was going to reappear later in life.

298.58 -> Then the third gift I had was that feeling of oneness, connectivity.

303.54 -> There's something more to life than just this body.

307.46 -> And I experienced that in the near-death experience where I'm going home.

312.62 -> Now that I came back, I found that if I could

315.37 -> sit in the chair, I could recreate a lot of

317.94 -> this peace.

318.94 -> I didn't see the light, but I saw the peace.

322.82 -> Later in life, after some study and meditation, I went into that hole.

327.1 -> And we'll talk about that a little bit later.

329.9 -> But that was my first experience.

333.74 -> As I went through life, I got into medical school in 84, finished in 88.

341.98 -> I always had this feeling, starting an internship, of a presence.

347.26 -> There's a presence right here, and it's very comforting.

351.78 -> What was interesting is I started to see colors again.

355.7 -> I could see your heart, which is red, by the way.

359.82 -> I see green on me, but I could see colors on people.

364.42 -> And I thought that was interesting.

365.86 -> It's not everybody, but people who are very spiritual have colors with them.

372.14 -> Then I started to see auras on people, and I thought, this is interesting.

377.34 -> What is this?

378.34 -> I had no idea.

379.34 -> And I could see black, I could see light gray, white, and clear.

386.34 -> One time, I was at a theater with my wife, and we were in the theater watching this.

392.06 -> I was being a little cocky, and I said, you see that guy over there?

394.86 -> She goes, yeah.

395.86 -> I said, he's got a black aura.

397.7 -> He's going to die in six months.

400.38 -> She grabbed my arm and said, that's my uncle.

402.38 -> Oh, my gosh.

404.06 -> And I went, good one, Rod.

407.22 -> After that, I decided not to tell people anymore when I saw that.

410.74 -> But it became a very nice guide in medicine,

413.329 -> because I could tell when somebody was going

415.86 -> to leave, because I would see that black aura.

419.62 -> So that was the first thing that I started noticing, coming back to me, is seeing the

425.82 -> colors.

427.66 -> In the ICU, where I trained, I could always tell when somebody was going to leave.

435.7 -> Somebody's on a ventilator.

436.9 -> I have them on life-saving medicines, antibiotics.

440.86 -> There's this man.

441.86 -> I don't know his name, but he was in the throes

446.169 -> of death, and he had multi-system failure.

449.94 -> And I looked at him, and his entire body was covered in that black shroud.

455.58 -> And I started to see him, his white spiritual aura, say, I want to go.

464.5 -> How does that happen?

466.66 -> I don't know.

467.66 -> I didn't know at the time.

469.1 -> I ended up extubating him after I talked to the family.

472.38 -> We're all in agreement.

473.38 -> We extubated him, stopped all the medicine, and he had a very smooth transition.

479.14 -> So the first sense that I got after that near-death

482.835 -> experience and later in life is being able

485.82 -> to feel a presence, starting to hear, starting

488.704 -> to see that they came a little bit later.

491.22 -> But this is the early stages of knowing that

493.711 -> there's more to life than just you and me

495.98 -> looking at each other.

498.1 -> That's what I was starting to experience in my first year.

501.98 -> So as I went along, then it got a little more interesting.

507.5 -> I always had this strong intuition.

509.78 -> I always knew what was wrong with people.

512.74 -> One man came into an urgent care that I was working at, and he had abdominal pain, and

518.58 -> he was really angry.

519.58 -> And I thought, well, this is interesting.

522.78 -> So I asked him what was wrong, and he told me about his abdominal pain.

525.38 -> He'd seen all these doctors and

527.158 -> specialists, and nobody could figure it out.

529.74 -> I said, hmm, lay down on the table, and I

532.68 -> took my finger, and I was guided by intuition.

535.9 -> I put it into his belly button, and I pushed

538.684 -> up, and he came flying off the table just

541.22 -> screaming in pain.

542.66 -> He said, what did you do?

544.94 -> And I said, well, sit down.

546.98 -> I said, you have a ventral hernia, and your gut is starting to tear apart.

551.56 -> You need what's called a mesh.

554.14 -> He got mad and argued, I've seen all these doctors.

556.42 -> So I put my finger back in and pushed.

558.98 -> He began to scream.

559.98 -> He says, okay, stop doing that.

561.86 -> And I said, okay, stop arguing with me.

564.74 -> So he went back.

565.74 -> A couple weeks later, he'd seen this doctor.

568.26 -> Sure enough, he had a ventral hernia that was repaired.

571.9 -> So you're starting off gradually with a feeling

574.509 -> of presence, and then you're starting to get

576.9 -> this subtle intuition where I know beyond a shadow of a doubt what's wrong with you.

584.76 -> In time, as I continue to work in the ER, these

588.879 -> are a lot of times life and death situations.

592.74 -> This is when the voice is the clearest to me.

596.44 -> This man was brought in, and this doctor called

599.974 -> me and said he had a colonoscopy yesterday,

603.14 -> and he's lightheaded.

604.14 -> He fell down.

605.38 -> I said, just can you give him some fluids and tank him up?

607.46 -> I said, sure, that sounds really easy.

610.22 -> So I brought the man in.

611.22 -> He's happy.

612.22 -> He's chatty.

613.22 -> His wife is there.

614.22 -> Everybody's, oh, this is easy.

615.22 -> We'll give him a liter of fluids.

617.46 -> So I gave him the fluids, and his pressure, when I initially checked him, he was 70.

622.3 -> That's critical.

623.3 -> No wonder he's passing out.

624.82 -> The pressure should be about 120.

627.9 -> So I gave him a liter of fluids, and his pressure went up.

631.22 -> Beautiful.

632.3 -> And all of a sudden, it went down.

635.7 -> Now, something's wrong, and the voice, the

639.296 -> divine voice, I'm getting comfortable hearing

643.06 -> this voice very clearly telling me what to

647.093 -> do, and the voice said, look in his eyelids.

651.22 -> Now, this is a test we generally don't do, but this is it right there.

656.86 -> It was sheet white.

658.82 -> The next thing the voice said is do a trauma

663.927 -> CT scan on this man, and by the way, run.

668.58 -> I don't have any clue, but I just ordered

670.902 -> this, and the nurses and people and the patient

673.5 -> are looking at me, what is wrong with you?

677.18 -> We ran down the hall and got into radiology.

681.34 -> We did the trauma CT scan.

682.82 -> They took him back.

684.54 -> We don't know what Chelberg's thinking, but obviously, there's something going on.

688.86 -> So I look at the CT with the radiologist.

691.78 -> He said, there's nothing here, and I said, really?

695.02 -> What's all this light gray stuff?

697.5 -> He goes, that's blood.

699.68 -> He scanned, and he found that the patient had a ruptured spleen, and it was cracked

704.82 -> in half.

705.82 -> He's dying literally in front of us.

708.38 -> We have maybe half an hour at best.

712.34 -> So I ran back into the ER.

713.9 -> We got blood going.

715.46 -> I called the trauma surgeon, took out his spleen, saved his life.

722.22 -> So these are the kind of stories.

726.38 -> It's not just limited to the ER, but I'll keep my stories in this realm.

732.82 -> One more.

733.82 -> A 40-year-old woman comes in, and she was in the garden planting, having a great day,

740.86 -> had the bib overalls on, typical manor, and covered in mud, happy.

745.7 -> But she started having point tenderness right here on her rib.

749.94 -> And she thought, I don't know, but I think I'm going to call 911.

753.3 -> So she did.

754.74 -> The paramedics get there, and they're talking to her, and she's laughing.

758.3 -> It just hurts when I press right there.

760.26 -> Okay, well, let's, you know, you call this.

762.82 -> Let's just take you to the ER.

765.1 -> So everybody comes in.

766.1 -> They're laughing and joking.

767.1 -> No big deal.

768.1 -> And the nurse says, well, she's gardening.

770.34 -> She's got a pulled chest muscle.

772.18 -> She probably tore it, popped a rib.

774.7 -> So everybody's getting happy, and Christ, in

777.824 -> that moment, said, tell the ambulance crew

780.74 -> to stop.

781.98 -> Do not leave.

782.98 -> They did not do a heart tracing like they're supposed to do.

787.14 -> They stopped.

788.14 -> I said, do not leave.

789.94 -> And then I told the nurse, I said, do a stat EKG right now.

794.78 -> And they're all looking at me like, what is wrong with you?

797.4 -> She has no cardiac symptoms, no risk factors.

800.64 -> She looks great.

801.64 -> Why are you doing this?

803.08 -> And I said, because.

805.28 -> Just do it.

806.72 -> So they did the 12 lead, and I looked at it.

810.36 -> And this is one of the most lethal looking EKGs that you can see.

814.04 -> It's called a tombstone EKG.

816.88 -> There's no more QRS complex.

818.64 -> It's all like the old cemetery tombstones.

822.12 -> I've got 90 minutes now to keep this woman alive.

826.24 -> So I showed it to all the nurses and the paramedics.

829.52 -> Got rid of the laughter.

830.52 -> We started the rescue medicines and the rescue protocols.

834.6 -> She was taken to Eastern Maine, the trauma center, and ended up having bypass surgery.

840.84 -> Saved her life.

842.88 -> Didn't do any labs, didn't do any real exam, except I touched her chest.

846.6 -> But immediately, I was guided, do a 12 lead, tell them to stay.

851.6 -> And it saved her life.

853.84 -> So that's just one of many stories that I can share with you.

858.56 -> But it's about during this growing process, you first feel, then you hear.

865.64 -> The next sense that comes along is the ability to see.

869.84 -> And by that I mean, I see you, but in certain

872.988 -> cases, I could see what was wrong inside the

876 -> body.

877.76 -> So for example, this young 13-year-old lady

880.855 -> was brought in by mom with right lower quadrant

884.16 -> pain.

885.6 -> And she was seen in another ER and put on antibiotics and said, well, you just have

889.36 -> a pelvic infection.

891.44 -> And the mother said, can you do a second opinion?

894 -> And in that instant, I'm listening to the mother, but I could see the appendix and it

898.56 -> was inflamed, ready to burst.

901.98 -> When you burst an appendix, you've got purulent material into the abdomen.

907.62 -> And now it's a fight to keep you alive, like to avoid that.

912.78 -> I did the CT scan and sure enough, she had acute appendicitis.

916.86 -> And we immediately got the surgeon involved.

919.82 -> If I had sent her home, and that had ruptured,

923.095 -> I have taken care of people who have had acute

926.3 -> appendicitis and it ruptured.

928.86 -> That's a lot of work to keep them alive in the

931.773 -> ICU because you get a belly full of infected

934.5 -> material.

937.02 -> There's a story.

940.94 -> This lady later after ER, I was doing hospice work.

947.98 -> I'm going to go off on a tangent if you don't mind for a second.

950.94 -> But she had metastatic pancreatic cancer and decided that's it, I'm done.

958.62 -> I started to talk to her.

960.46 -> I went to her house, talked to her, talked to her family.

964.14 -> And I started to see into her this big black area.

968.86 -> I could see the cancer and I could see it upward through her whole body.

973.7 -> So we talked about that scene.

978.86 -> You get this secondary vision, I call it spiritual

982.658 -> vision, but it's up here where I see things

985.9 -> that's superimposed on somebody.

989.82 -> And my greatest example that is kind of, it's in my book.

998.02 -> People have probably heard this story before,

1000.377 -> but an 80-year-old lady came in and she was

1002.58 -> in cardiac arrest.

1004.78 -> We were doing CPR on her.

1007.82 -> I took over the care of this lady, ran the code for another 20 minutes, and she was in

1012.86 -> a systole flatline for about 20 minutes.

1018.02 -> I called the code and I said, she's done, she's out of here.

1022.54 -> And it's been my habit in the ICU and in treating

1025.361 -> with patients, especially at the end of their

1027.9 -> life, I like to hold their hand up to my chest.

1032.14 -> And I was raised Catholic, so I would do the Lord's Prayer.

1036.66 -> My thought as a physician, my last job is to

1040.199 -> pray for this person and ask on their behalf

1044.58 -> that they be taken home to heaven, the divine,

1047.41 -> whatever you want to call it, but lifted out

1050.06 -> of this realm.

1051.74 -> Well, that was always a very pleasant thing

1054.825 -> to do, and I always ask permission first with

1057.98 -> the family, if they're around.

1060.78 -> So I studied A Course in Miracles for quite

1063.85 -> some time and did meditation, started to learn

1067.06 -> to quiet my mind.

1069.86 -> On this particular case, it was very profound for me.

1072.7 -> I said, I wonder what will happen if I ask

1075.231 -> Christ to come, because the Course is always

1077.82 -> saying that.

1079.1 -> Well, in that instant, the entire ER turned to white light, scintillating white light.

1086.74 -> Her aura left her body.

1088.86 -> She sat up, and as clear as I can see you, only you're all white, glasses.

1095.1 -> And she looked at me and said, thank you.

1098.98 -> On the left side, this brilliant red bead of light came and took and melded with her

1106.18 -> and they became one.

1108.98 -> Then they went across my visual field, and I

1111.844 -> looked over on this side, on my right side,

1114.58 -> and there was these beautiful golden doors that opened up, and they went up into this,

1120.42 -> and these beautiful arms came out and just brought them all in, and the doors shut.

1126.7 -> I was stunned.

1129.3 -> What was that?

1130.58 -> And I felt tremendous love, tremendous peace,

1134.133 -> and I decided, I just witnessed the birth

1137.3 -> into heaven of this individual, and it's what I

1140.752 -> could think of, because I've delivered babies.

1144.86 -> This is infinitely more pleasant to me.

1148.46 -> That has become, for me, I call it the process

1151.924 -> birthing into heaven, and I have seen this

1155.02 -> so many times when my dad died, when this lady Polly died, when Sandy died, a patient

1162.34 -> died of a suicide, a patient died of a car accident.

1167.5 -> Every time that I have called, that divine

1170.882 -> love has come, and I get to see this beautiful

1174.78 -> merging just going off.

1178.46 -> So spiritual sight is what you're starting to gain as you get closer and closer, and

1185.9 -> we can go on with lots of examples of that.

1189.46 -> Those are incredible stories.

1192.58 -> How do you feel you started having these

1195.841 -> experiences, or why do you think this naturally

1201.22 -> started to evolve for you?

1203.7 -> I shut it down in second grade out of fear of rejection from my friends.

1211.58 -> The reason it came back is because I started to study spiritual literature.

1217.38 -> I was reading the Bible, Silent Unity, Eckhart

1220.43 -> Tolle, and then I got hooked on A Course in

1223.22 -> Miracles, which is an independent self-study course.

1227.62 -> It's not a religion, it's just a course.

1230.86 -> Then I remembered, oh yeah, meditation.

1233.74 -> I really enjoyed that, so I would read literally

1237.234 -> four hours on Sundays and then meditate for

1240.3 -> an hour.

1241.7 -> I learned to quiet my mind, and that's very

1245.161 -> important on this process, to quiet your mind

1249.1 -> because then the divine can speak to you.

1253.22 -> In all these situations and stories I've told

1256.172 -> you, what I didn't tell you is in all of them

1259.06 -> I learned to be very quiet, so when I'm praying,

1262.234 -> I'm quieting my mind, and I'm allowing that

1265.02 -> divine to come through.

1268.02 -> In crisis situations, a man comes in.

1273.02 -> He was involved in a motor vehicle accident, and

1275.46 -> he's all banged up, and it's frantic activity

1277.7 -> like you see on TV, all the drama and insanity.

1282.62 -> I'm the conductor of all this.

1284.02 -> I stand at the foot of the bed and tell people what to do and whatnot.

1289.02 -> I'm looking at this man, and I make it my habit now just to move this way.

1295.42 -> Right here is an empty spot, and I say, that's

1298.679 -> where God is, and then I say, what does God

1301.66 -> have to say?

1302.66 -> It would immediately say, we are peace.

1306.58 -> This man is going to be fine, and the whole ER would just settle down.

1310.66 -> It's the most amazing thing to see and feel the insanity of the noise just quiets down,

1318.06 -> and we're having a nice civil conversation like this while the patient picks up.

1323.78 -> If they're not upset and afraid, what do I have to be afraid of?

1328.78 -> I always make it a point of touching someone's

1331.845 -> hand and just telling them everything's fine,

1334.78 -> and that divine love just flows through.

1339.78 -> The Course in Miracles was the stepping stone

1342.934 -> for me to unlearn what I was taught, to learn

1346.02 -> that there's more to life than just the body.

1349.74 -> Meditation allowed me to quiet my mind so that I could hear the divine.

1354.74 -> It's very important that you have to create

1357.706 -> a quiet time, because if you just chat, chat,

1360.74 -> chat, chat, chat, and chat, chat, chat, God's going, what can I do?

1364.74 -> I can't talk to you, and it's really scary sometimes.

1369.74 -> There was a lady who came in with a very rapid

1373.918 -> heart rate, and she was very uncomfortable,

1377.78 -> not having a heart attack, but just a very rapid heart rate.

1380.78 -> So we said, okay, I put her to sleep, and I

1384.128 -> gave her a drug that literally stops your heart.

1387.78 -> Now, that gets interesting. I'm going to stop your heart now so it can reset itself.

1392.78 -> So we gave her the drug, and we're watching

1395.224 -> the monitor. It shuts down. She's in asystole.

1397.78 -> Normally, people wake up at 10 seconds, 15 seconds.

1402.82 -> At 15 seconds, she's still flatline. Now we're starting to get twitchy.

1407.82 -> At 20 seconds, she started to come back and

1411.097 -> immediately went back into this super-fast rhythm.

1414.82 -> I said, well, the voice said, okay, double the dose.

1419.82 -> I'm like, okay. She was in asystole for a long time.

1426.82 -> I told the nurse, double the dose. Let's try it again.

1430.86 -> I have to understand there's family members, there's

1433.699 -> nurses, and they're like, are you sure you want to do this?

1436.86 -> But I felt that presence or security of knowing

1440.552 -> when you hear that voice, there's no doubt.

1445.86 -> She got the dose, and she's now at 20 seconds, she's still in asystole.

1451.86 -> We're getting real twitchy, and the nurse is saying, Rod, you've got to do something.

1456.9 -> I said, I am. I'm doing nothing. It didn't go over real well.

1461.9 -> At 30 seconds, boom, her heart rate came back into perfect normal sinus rhythm.

1466.9 -> We woke her up, and she said, that was the most pleasant experience I've ever had.

1472.9 -> I said, yeah, we stopped your heart for 30 seconds.

1476.9 -> The husband was pacing, the nurses were pacing.

1479.869 -> I'm just, that's all right, don't worry about it.

1482.94 -> Learning to quiet your mind and listen and to be at peace

1488.94 -> in pretty dire circumstances, pretty amazing.

1493.94 -> But you get very comfortable. The more you

1496.906 -> practice this and do it, the easier it gets.

1499.94 -> This woman said that it was the most pleasant experience she had.

1503.94 -> Did she elaborate on her experience?

1507.98 -> We assumed that it was medications that I used to put you to sleep,

1513.98 -> but I knew she connected with the divine and felt that divine presence.

1519.98 -> She had a glow about her, that her aura

1522.361 -> changed from kind of dark to a bright white.

1524.98 -> I knew that she was touched. She didn't talk about a near-death experience,

1530.98 -> but that doesn't matter. She's still in that quiet state.

1536.02 -> There's no heartbeat that really shuts your

1538.921 -> brain down. It allows your mind to be expanded.

1542.02 -> Everybody attributed it to the drugs, but I knew

1545.52 -> it was the drugs and being touched by the divine.

1549.02 -> That's like extreme meditation, and these are tricks you can't try at home.

1555.02 -> No, no, I would not suggest that.

1559.02 -> Some of the criticism of psychic gifts are that people are simply hallucinating.

1565.06 -> When you talk about hearing voices, how do you distinguish what is Christ or God

1570.06 -> versus maybe just your own mind speaking to you?

1574.06 -> That's actually a good question and a very simple answer.

1580.06 -> People would come in and say, I'm hearing voices and I'm seeing God.

1586.06 -> They're crazy. They're schizophrenic. We tend to lock them up.

1590.06 -> The difference is the voices are telling them to hurt people.

1594.1 -> The voices are misleading. When the divine speaks,

1598.1 -> you know there is no doubt in your mind.

1602.1 -> If there's doubt, should I buy this car or should I not? That's ego.

1606.1 -> When the divine talks, you know beyond a shadow of a doubt.

1611.1 -> You're given the strength to order labs that people think,

1615.1 -> why are you doing this? Why are you doing it that way?

1619.14 -> Once you've had that experience of I know,

1623.14 -> that revelation of I know, the doubt is gone.

1627.14 -> You will never ask this question again.

1631.14 -> It gets that strong.

1635.14 -> For you, you had many opportunities to listen to that voice

1639.14 -> or to those feelings and intuition and then acted out

1643.14 -> based on your own medical background and training

1647.18 -> and clinical judgment and then those experiences

1651.18 -> validated for you and they proved to you that they were legitimate.

1655.18 -> Correct. I learned that I could trust this voice

1659.18 -> and that I wasn't crazy.

1663.18 -> It is difficult to order an EKG on a woman

1667.18 -> that has no true cardiac symptoms.

1671.18 -> It's difficult to order a cardiac enzyme on a kid.

1675.22 -> But, when God tells me to do something, I do it. There is no doubt in your mind.

1679.22 -> How do you define or describe God?

1683.22 -> That's impossible.

1687.22 -> How do you describe the infinite?

1691.22 -> When I'm in that space,

1695.22 -> I am a thought. I'm no longer a concept of a body.

1699.22 -> There's no time. There's no space. There's just infinite mind.

1703.26 -> I am in that. What I feel is tremendous love.

1707.26 -> Tremendous quiet. Tremendous peace.

1711.26 -> The only word in the English language is awe.

1715.26 -> Probably the best I can do.

1719.26 -> At that line of spirituality and humanity, it's like oil and water.

1723.26 -> They just don't mix. So you have unlimited, infinite love

1727.26 -> which is what you really are, putting limits on it in the form of a body

1731.3 -> and words. It just doesn't work.

1735.3 -> I can use all the adjectives I want, and they're all wrong.

1739.3 -> You have a different definition of love

1741.205 -> than I do. You've had different experiences.

1743.3 -> God, the divine, is one.

1747.3 -> I am one. I and my Father are one.

1751.3 -> So look at it this way.

1755.3 -> I have eaten an orange. You have not.

1759.34 -> I'm trying to tell you how wonderful it is to eat an orange. It's sweet. It's juicy.

1763.34 -> It's got this pretty color, especially when it's cool.

1767.34 -> You're going, right, that's really nice. Now you bite that orange and go,

1771.34 -> I really like this. Now we have a shared language

1775.34 -> of I know. I have the experience.

1779.34 -> I can do the best I can talking to you about the experience.

1783.34 -> But unless you've been in that state,

1787.38 -> you won't understand. And that's where science and spirituality

1791.38 -> kind of go bang. If you're on one side or the other,

1795.38 -> many people now are starting to ascend and wake up.

1799.38 -> They have the ability to cross that bridge and go into spirituality

1803.38 -> and then come back into this. But awe is probably the best

1807.38 -> word I can give you. It's just not possible to

1811.38 -> define the infinite.

1815.42 -> When we are in the ICU or helping people now,

1819.42 -> you know when that presence arrives for you and you can listen to it

1823.42 -> and trust it. Correct.

1827.42 -> The presence is always there.

1831.42 -> Do I listen to it? That's the question.

1835.42 -> And when I'm in the ICU, that's when I make this decision that I'm going to be quiet

1839.42 -> now and stop thinking and just allow.

1843.46 -> I'm going to get my ego out of the way and just allow.

1847.46 -> In essence, I'm going to step back and let divine power go in front of me.

1851.46 -> As I get older, I walk in that presence all the time

1855.46 -> and it just makes everything peaceful.

1859.46 -> But initially, it's practice. I have to ask.

1863.46 -> Did you want to tell your wallet story?

1867.46 -> It's just a story where I couldn't find my wallet

1871.5 -> and I asked the Divine and he said, "it's upstairs from yesterday".

1875.5 -> So it doesn't always have to be trauma. It can be simple things.

1879.5 -> Right. Simple practical applications.

1883.5 -> God is always talking to me. He's always available.

1887.5 -> And if I learn to listen, he'll guide me to what I need.

1891.5 -> You yourself had a health event

1895.5 -> that affected your ability actually to practice as a physician.

1899.54 -> Correct, in 2016, I had a massive stroke.

1907.54 -> I was driving from one nursing home to another and the whole world tipped.

1911.54 -> And I went from the right lane to the left lane and hit the rumble strip.

1915.54 -> And what was that?

1919.54 -> So I drove to work. I thought it was a low blood sugar.

1923.54 -> By the time I got to work, I couldn't walk very well. I couldn't talk.

1927.58 -> This left arm was hanging at my side.

1931.58 -> And my nurse said, I think you're having a stroke.

1935.58 -> And all I could do is nod my head because I know the signs and symptoms of a stroke.

1939.58 -> And I could see the progression.

1943.58 -> Anyway, I got into the ER and they did a CT scan

1947.58 -> and found that I had what's called a pontine stroke.

1951.58 -> So at the very top of your spinal cord, there's the brain stem.

1955.62 -> And what you've got, like a crystal ball, is your pons.

1959.62 -> So you've got this part of your brain as a computer and the back of your brain

1963.62 -> is another computer. And they hook together in the pons.

1967.62 -> So a very critical area got hit.

1971.62 -> Now, I was in a window where they give this medication called TPA.

1975.62 -> It's a clot-busting medicine.

1979.62 -> I'm in bed. My right side is now paralyzed.

1983.66 -> My left face is just hanging and I'm drooling.

1987.66 -> I've got PoTS (Postural tachycardia syndrome) for a while.

1991.66 -> So the nurse came in. First, the doctor came in.

1995.66 -> He said, your labs are all fine. And he told me what the labs were.

1999.66 -> Well, my blood count was not fine.

2003.66 -> My blood count was 18. It should be normal.

2007.66 -> My blood count was 11. Critical is 8.

2011.7 -> Where did all that blood go? That's 1 to 2 quarts of blood.

2015.7 -> I knew at that point, I was on a medication

2019.7 -> for arthritis, for osteoarthritis, and they cause

2023.7 -> ulcers and you bleed. You bleed internally, slowly.

2027.7 -> I knew I had an ulcer and the ER doctor

2031.7 -> never did a rectal exam to check for blood.

2035.7 -> So he told the neurologist, everything's fine.

2039.74 -> I ordered TPA and I went, big mistake.

2043.74 -> So the nurse said, this is really going to make you feel good.

2047.74 -> I'll bet. And I can't talk and say

2051.74 -> you're making a mistake. I know I'm bleeding

2055.74 -> and you just gave me a Major League blood thinner.

2059.74 -> What do you think that's going to do to a bleed? It's going to accelerate it.

2063.74 -> In my experience, I've had people die giving TPA.

2067.78 -> So it's a scary high-risk drug.

2071.78 -> I'm laying there and I thought, there's nothing I can do.

2075.78 -> So I just surrendered and I relaxed and I said, okay,

2079.78 -> if I'm going to die, I'm going to die in the next 10 minutes.

2083.78 -> So I started to watch the clock.

2087.78 -> And at 2 minutes, the entire ER turned into scintillating

2091.78 -> beautiful white light. It was just very pleasant.

2095.82 -> And I thought to myself, if this is what it's like to die, this is really nice.

2099.82 -> It's so peaceful and comforting.

2103.82 -> It stayed in white light for 8 minutes because I was watching the clock.

2107.82 -> Then a voice came and said, you are protected.

2111.82 -> You will go home. And I agreed with that voice

2115.82 -> and I said, in my mind, it is my intention to walk out of this

2119.82 -> hospital tomorrow. That was my intention.

2123.86 -> I did not have a massive bleed. I survived that.

2127.86 -> Later in the evening, I started walking and the nurses

2131.86 -> didn't want me to walk. So I kept hitting the alarm button every 15 minutes.

2135.86 -> And my speech came back. I started walking.

2139.86 -> They're going, that's not possible. Then I said,

2143.86 -> I want to be discharged tomorrow. They said, that's not possible.

2147.86 -> It works very well just to keep hitting the alarm buttons.

2151.9 -> They get annoyed. I was discharged the next day.

2155.9 -> I still had deficits, but I felt so

2159.9 -> free and liberated. I was touched again by the divine.

2163.9 -> I knew I was divinely protected. I got to see it

2167.9 -> with that spiritual vision as white light.

2171.9 -> It took 3 years to recover. I lost my memory, my ability to calculate.

2175.9 -> I still had profound weakness on my right side.

2179.94 -> I did the rehab and the training, but after 2 years

2183.94 -> of not practicing medicine, the medical board said, what are we

2187.94 -> going to do with you? I decided to retire my license because I didn't

2191.94 -> trust my memory. I kept writing the wrong

2195.94 -> when I did practice writing scripts, they were wrong.

2199.94 -> I thought, I don't want to hurt somebody by giving them too much of a medicine.

2203.94 -> So I retired my license. I now

2207.98 -> call this a stroke of good luck. What it has allowed me to do

2211.98 -> is to write this book and start reaching out, talking

2215.98 -> to people about these experiences, helping other doctors

2219.98 -> who have had these similar problems or

2223.98 -> quote "problems". I'm not crazy. What I saw maybe is real.

2227.98 -> Now I'm doing podcasts

2231.98 -> with people like you helping me. I'm coming out of the spiritual

2236.02 -> closet, as they say. I've self-diagnosed myself

2240.02 -> as having divine schizophrenia because I see and hear

2244.02 -> what other people don't and I'm okay with it. I totally

2248.02 -> trust the beauty of what I'm seeing and I'm comfortable

2252.02 -> seeing people who have passed away. I'm comfortable

2256.02 -> seeing orbs. I'm comfortable with all of it.

2260.02 -> Anything we can do to decrease the fear in people

2264.06 -> if they're sick or whatever problem, if they're dying, and bring them

2268.06 -> peace. That's our job. That's what we're doing now.

2272.06 -> That's my job. So I tell people I work for God now.

2276.06 -> Not only did you have a

2280.06 -> significant stroke, you were bleeding

2284.06 -> and then you were given a medication to have you actually

2288.06 -> essentially bleed more

2292.1 -> and it was as though you had a miracle

2296.1 -> happen where you had three strikes against

2300.1 -> you, major ones, and then you were able to walk out of the hospital.

2304.1 -> Yes. That medicine is called a clot buster.

2308.1 -> I had a blood clot, an embolic stuck in my blood

2312.1 -> vessels. This medicine dissolves

2316.1 -> them, which is great, but it

2320.14 -> also dissolves the clotting factors that keep you from bleeding.

2324.14 -> Why didn't I bleed to death?

2328.14 -> I should have. Yeah.

2332.14 -> I had a colonoscopy several weeks later and I did have a bleed.

2336.14 -> I had a bleeding ulcer and they burned it with a laser.

2340.14 -> And they're like, you should be dead.

2344.14 -> It was like a half inch ulcer. It's a good size.

2348.18 -> Your cognition, from what I can tell, having a

2352.18 -> conversation with you seems quite intact.

2354.111 -> Have you found that your memory has returned?

2356.18 -> Most of it. I was in

2360.18 -> the hospital the other day and this man walked

2364.18 -> up to me and I started to get excited. I said, I know you.

2368.18 -> I know I know you, but I don't know your name.

2372.18 -> He looks at me and goes, Rod, it's Bob Craven. We worked together

2376.22 -> for three years. I went, now I

2380.22 -> know you. So a lot of the brain is plastic and it

2384.22 -> can remodel and reheal and create new connections. So there was

2388.22 -> a dead spot over here and the memory associated

2392.22 -> with it came back. So right now

2396.22 -> it's almost 100%. My speech is much clearer.

2400.22 -> I can calculate and write the right prescriptions.

2404.26 -> I'm just past the window of going back in.

2408.26 -> I chose a new career path. Yeah, definitely.

2412.26 -> Just to be clear, people who typically have the kind of stroke you had,

2416.26 -> what percentage tend to make a full recovery from that type

2420.26 -> of stroke? It all comes down to timing. You've got three

2424.26 -> hours. That's it. If it's past three hours,

2428.26 -> the medicine won't work. So adjacent to me was a

2432.3 -> 55-year-old man who also had a pontine stroke

2436.3 -> and waited too long.

2440.3 -> He was permanently paralyzed on his right side. They were

2444.3 -> talking about breathing assist, nursing home for the rest of his life.

2448.3 -> So you don't have a lot of time.

2452.3 -> Three hours is about it to make this work.

2456.3 -> A lot of people think it's a low blood sugar or I'm tired

2460.34 -> and they don't realize how bad this can be.

2464.34 -> In addition to connecting with God, Christ,

2468.34 -> do you also experience angels?

2472.34 -> I do. I see in my mind archangels Raphael, Uriel,

2484.34 -> Michael. I've seen Mother Mary in Christ.

2488.38 -> Sometimes I've seen Gabriel. That was a long time ago.

2492.38 -> Usually it's Raphael, Michael, and Uriel.

2496.38 -> Those are the angels I see. I have not seen

2500.38 -> other angels, but I have seen orbs

2504.38 -> around people. I know those are thoughts of love. Those are thoughts

2508.38 -> of angels. I have seen deceased

2512.38 -> loved ones come back. For example, my dad

2516.42 -> died and I was there at the bedside.

2520.42 -> There were seven white, different height,

2524.42 -> auras there. I thought, who are you guys?

2528.42 -> Well, for just a moment, the tallest one, I said,

2532.42 -> that's Uncle Vernon. This is your family. They've all come back to help

2536.42 -> you cross over and transition back into love.

2540.42 -> After Dad transitioned, I was reading A Course

2544.46 -> in Miracles, I rest in God, and I saw his aura

2548.46 -> standing right next to me. He was radiant with joy

2552.46 -> and just gave me so much joy. I wasn't sad anymore. I was so

2556.46 -> happy. Loved ones

2560.46 -> in the nursing homes or in hospice that die, I've seen

2564.46 -> spouses come back, their husband or their wife.

2568.46 -> There's a young woman, maybe not young,

2572.5 -> she's in her 60s. She died of a brain cancer.

2576.5 -> I was with her and I said, how come you're not going

2580.5 -> home? She said, because I'm waiting for my mom and dad.

2584.5 -> I don't want them to get lost, so I'm going to wait

2588.5 -> here. They had their 95th birthday

2592.5 -> not too long ago, but there's no concept of time

2596.5 -> in the eternal. There's other stories,

2600.54 -> but I think you get the point that angels are all around

2604.54 -> us. They're in the form of loved ones, they're in the

2608.54 -> form of divine spirit, divine Christ, whatever you want

2612.54 -> to call it, Buddha. I just grew up in a traditional

2616.54 -> Catholic religion, so that's my frame of reference.

2620.54 -> But you're always surrounded by love.

2624.54 -> It's just we can't see them.

2628.58 -> You have also been a medical director in nursing homes and hospice.

2632.58 -> What are some of the experiences you've had there with

2636.58 -> people who are at end of life?

2640.58 -> This may sound really bad, but I think my worst day I had

2644.58 -> five people die on me in one day. It's like, what

2648.58 -> kind of a doctor are you?

2652.58 -> What's nice is at the end of life

2656.62 -> I can tell the transition, how fast they're

2660.62 -> transitioning, a lot of medical things.

2664.62 -> I've seen a lot of people leave and it's always with divine

2668.62 -> love. There was a lady, 93,

2672.62 -> that was starting the spiral of death process. She had pneumonia

2676.62 -> and the family was torn apart.

2680.62 -> I said, let's just do a Hail Mary pass. We're going to give antibiotics

2684.66 -> steroids and inhalers. I said, if you don't

2688.66 -> do this, this is going to haunt you the rest of your life. We should have

2692.66 -> done this. We should have done that. Anything I can do to decrease the fear

2696.66 -> in the family and then in the patient is what I do.

2700.66 -> The next day it was clear that she wasn't going to make it, so we

2704.66 -> stopped everything. She left it too in that afternoon.

2708.66 -> It is really important to be at peace when you

2712.7 -> pass away. All these people that have died,

2716.7 -> I made sure they were comfortable.

2720.7 -> I would invite chaplains in, rabbis, friends,

2724.7 -> and the loved one felt that support.

2728.7 -> They had peace. My job is to say

2732.7 -> okay, I asked for divine help. The divine help always comes.

2736.7 -> You can ask for that for a loved one.

2740.74 -> Please help my friend

2744.74 -> be at peace and go home. We can all do that.

2748.74 -> We're taught to go to church and pray, but it's in your heart.

2752.74 -> You let that love out.

2756.74 -> That same methodology works

2760.74 -> in every situation. It doesn't matter if it's a bad person

2764.74 -> or a good person. Once that body is laid

2768.78 -> down and they're at peace, they return to their divine essence

2772.78 -> of love. We just want them to go home.

2776.78 -> I did nursing home as a medical director for

2780.78 -> four or five years, beacon, hospice,

2784.78 -> almost two years. I made it a point

2788.78 -> of going to people's houses and being with them

2792.78 -> and getting rid of that fear.

2796.82 -> When a person passes, that you

2800.82 -> have assisted them on their journey in the afterlife.

2804.82 -> The assistance mostly

2808.82 -> is asking the divine to come in.

2812.82 -> Roger was a man who had end-stage liver cirrhosis from drinking.

2816.82 -> Broken family, broken everything. Fought, fought, fought.

2820.82 -> He was dying. He said,

2824.86 -> I just want help to let this go.

2828.86 -> I want to read you something because it's really pretty.

2832.86 -> Roger held my hand at the bedside late at night

2836.86 -> in the middle of Maine, winter. The wife, Margaret, is over here.

2840.86 -> By the way, I have their permission to talk about this.

2844.86 -> I said, I, Roger, repeat this.

2848.86 -> I, Roger. He said, I, Roger, I forgive myself.

2852.9 -> Basically, that was the gist. He started to

2856.9 -> forgive himself. He started to shake and rattle. He started crying

2860.9 -> uncontrollably and turned to Margaret and said, I am so sorry.

2864.9 -> I was stuck. Now I'm unstuck and I see

2868.9 -> you. What happened next, if you

2872.9 -> don't mind, just a quick poem. This divine

2876.9 -> voice gave me a message for Roger.

2880.94 -> It's called Roger's Prayer.

2884.94 -> It says, out of love you were born, free to create

2888.94 -> and explore this life. Now it is time to return to

2892.94 -> spirit, to love and to peace.

2896.94 -> Forever are you sinless and free of guilt, for I have

2900.94 -> loved you always. The memories of your life

2904.94 -> will end with this body and trouble you no more.

2908.98 -> Your light will shine again because you are still one with me.

2912.98 -> That brought Roger tremendous peace.

2916.98 -> Margaret, tremendous peace. Afterwards he passed away.

2920.98 -> She said, I fell in love with him again, as when I did

2924.98 -> so many years ago. His son came to visit

2928.98 -> a year later and was in the bed and

2932.98 -> the next day he talked to me. He said, my dad came to me last night and I

2937.02 -> could see him. He apologized and he asked my

2941.02 -> forgiveness. I started to cry and accept

2945.02 -> this love. He said, a weight's been lifted because

2949.02 -> I hated my dad. An ancient hatred

2953.02 -> is turned into a present love by an act of forgiveness.

2957.02 -> I hear stuff like that.

2961.02 -> I help people move through their blocks. Very important.

2965.06 -> I have gone into the other side

2969.06 -> and helped people navigate

2973.06 -> in that, I don't know what to call it. I

2974.989 -> call it the etheric realm, the astral realm.

2977.06 -> I'm just not sure. But people get lost

2981.06 -> in there. Especially when it's a traumatic death.

2985.06 -> There's two people. One was an

2989.06 -> 80 year old lady who had a heart attack while she was in town.

2993.1 -> Fortunately she was driving slow. Ran into a telephone pole.

2997.1 -> She was in asystole when she got into the ER.

3001.1 -> So we ran a code, but we called it, stopped it.

3005.1 -> As I started to walk, the family was there

3009.1 -> by then, the minister. I stopped at the head of the bed and I stopped

3013.1 -> and I dissociated and I went into that realm. It's a light

3017.1 -> gray realm. I found her with her head down, crying.

3021.14 -> She says, what happened? What happened?

3025.14 -> I told her the truth, that you were in a car, you had a heart attack, you've died.

3029.14 -> She said, I can't see my family and say goodbye.

3033.14 -> I said, well, maybe you can. Let's ask.

3037.14 -> So we did. I asked on her behalf,

3041.14 -> Divine, can this lady stay for just a little while?

3045.14 -> To be with her family? She did.

3049.18 -> All of a sudden, she's in asystole, her body

3053.18 -> is white, cold. She pinked right up

3057.18 -> and the voice said, she has three days.

3061.18 -> So we transferred her to the ICU and she was able to say

3065.18 -> goodbye to her family and tell them how much they loved each other.

3069.18 -> This is a family that was torn apart by all these family dynamics

3073.18 -> and they all found forgiveness and love and she quietly just

3077.22 -> closed her eyes on day three and they felt the love

3081.22 -> and tenderness of it all. There's more people

3085.22 -> with stories like that, but in the interest of time,

3089.22 -> that's, yes.

3093.22 -> You develop these abilities of the presence, you hear,

3097.22 -> you see, and then the Divine says, will you help me?

3101.22 -> I say, yes. So my new boss is God.

3105.26 -> And I might help people in that manner.

3109.26 -> We think of in Western medicine that it's all about

3113.26 -> in our very materialistic society that it's all about

3117.26 -> the physical body, but you're really demonstrating

3119.578 -> that it goes beyond the physical body

3121.26 -> not only to the mind and consciousness, but also to the spiritual realm

3125.26 -> and that we can receive guidance and support

3129.26 -> in greater ways than we typically are aware of.

3133.3 -> Exactly. And that's really the gist of

3137.3 -> a very big change in concepts that

3141.3 -> God speaks to me all day long. He's always

3145.3 -> with me. Are you willing to listen? And we're taught

3149.3 -> that we're a body, that we have to have a life, make money, get a car,

3153.3 -> get a job, and it's like that's all true in this realm.

3157.3 -> But that's not really who you are. So my analogy

3161.34 -> is your body is a car, and I'm

3165.34 -> not to piss off the doctors or upset the doctors, but I'm

3169.34 -> a glorified auto mechanic. I change the tires, the air filters, change

3173.34 -> the brakes. What I have learned

3177.34 -> is if you'll imagine you are a Divine Spirit,

3181.34 -> you are infinite God consciousness, infinite love.

3185.34 -> That's really who you are. You're the driver and you get into the

3189.38 -> car and you give that car life and the car says,

3193.38 -> I feel great. I think I'm going to go to

3195.309 -> the grocery store today. I think I need gas.

3197.38 -> Oh, I got a flat tire. You see, the car thinks it's alive

3201.38 -> and we think the body is alive. It is in this realm.

3205.38 -> But when you go into the spiritual realm, the body is left behind.

3209.38 -> Your car runs down and breaks down. What do you do?

3213.38 -> You leave it, don't you? And they take it to a junkyard. That's it.

3217.42 -> What do you do? You walk around for a while

3219.376 -> and say, you know, I think I need another car.

3221.42 -> I'm going to try this car instead. And that's what you do.

3225.42 -> So you keep going through these cycles called karma,

3229.42 -> if you will, or reincarnation. It's just a recycling.

3233.42 -> Wouldn't you like to stop and say, I want to remember

3237.42 -> who I truly am, and that is I am the driver of this car.

3241.42 -> This is truly me, a thought of love in the mind of the Divine.

3245.46 -> And now I'm going to go home and leave that body behind.

3249.46 -> I have the choice now to go home or recycle.

3253.46 -> And I think it's a lot of people

3257.46 -> when they really understand that, they choose heaven, they choose peace.

3261.46 -> Now, while I'm here,

3265.46 -> I choose to bring that peace back with me

3269.46 -> and be in this life and let that peace emanate from my heart

3273.5 -> and radiate into this world to bring it peace.

3277.5 -> The love is so powerful, you can't help but say,

3281.5 -> I just want to give this away. I want every single person

3285.5 -> on this planet to feel this love. Because I know when they do,

3289.5 -> they're going to put their guns down. I know

3291.593 -> they're going to take care of each other.

3293.5 -> And we're all going to walk in divine peace and not human peace,

3297.5 -> which breaks and lets us down. Peace treaty only lasts so long.

3301.54 -> And then we're back at it again.

3305.54 -> That is a beautiful vision for all of us to be in peace and how you are describing

3309.54 -> how you've been able to facilitate and help people and receive

3313.54 -> this amazing guidance from how you describe

3317.54 -> as God, that it strikes me as

3321.54 -> very similar, if not the same, as many of these

3325.54 -> ancient traditions of shamanism, where the

3329.58 -> physician is also the spiritual

3333.58 -> guide, or really you seem to be describing

3337.58 -> yourself as perhaps a spiritual healer.

3341.58 -> That's the way I look at it.

3345.58 -> If you have an illness, I don't look at

3349.58 -> the illness. How you got to the illness, I don't care.

3353.58 -> What I do care about is the illness is a thought in your mind.

3357.62 -> What's driving this? You have the power in your mind

3361.62 -> if you change your beliefs from fear-based beliefs to

3365.62 -> love-based beliefs and let that love come into you,

3369.62 -> you can heal, or at least start on the path of healing.

3373.62 -> You might still need medical treatment.

3377.62 -> In my own case, I had three cancers.

3381.62 -> And I had colon cancer, I had kidney cancer, and testicular

3385.66 -> cancer. In all cases, the doctor said,

3389.66 -> you're going to need chemo and radiation, and these are really bad.

3393.66 -> So after these diagnoses of

3397.66 -> these cancers, I had a choice. And my choice was either

3401.66 -> love or fear. Most people choose fear, and they

3405.66 -> go down that track. I chose love.

3409.66 -> I chose to remember that I am a divine being, that I have

3413.7 -> the power within myself to let love flow and

3417.7 -> dissolve this darkness. So that's what happened in all three cases.

3421.7 -> They were healed. I did have

3425.7 -> surgery, I did have the cancers cut out.

3429.7 -> But at that point, since I had chosen love,

3433.7 -> the voice told me, you're all set, you're healed.

3437.7 -> And I knew I was healed. So I didn't do any chemo, I didn't do any

3441.74 -> radiation, I didn't do any follow-up testing. I said, I'm good,

3445.74 -> I'm out of here. And I knew, once I chose love,

3449.74 -> I know, and you will know, that you are healed.

3453.74 -> And the more you accept that, the faster you heal.

3457.74 -> You may yet need some medical treatment, some pills or chemo,

3461.74 -> but your whole perception changes as to one of

3465.74 -> I am going to be fine.

3469.78 -> A positive expectation can work wonders.

3473.78 -> You bring joy and love into it, not

3477.78 -> fear and upset and, oh my god, I'm going to die.

3481.78 -> Well, what if you weren't going to die?

3485.78 -> What if I told you, you can make a choice, and I'll help you

3489.78 -> either way. We can do chemo, radiation, surgery, all that stuff

3493.78 -> and work with you. Or you can say, I'm going to

3497.82 -> start healing.

3501.82 -> And I can give you lots of examples in my own personal life, but that's sort of

3505.82 -> the gist of it, is to take back your power.

3509.82 -> We tend to give our power away to the medical society when we have a problem.

3513.82 -> And I'm saying, give it back, bring it back into you

3517.82 -> and you can start to heal yourself.

3521.82 -> You do that with love, by saying, I am love and I'm going to extend

3525.86 -> my love into this. And if I need chemo, I'm going to have fun with it.

3529.86 -> And have a little party. I've had patients that

3533.86 -> would bring in a cupcake and put a candle on it

3535.903 -> and say, okay, I'm going to enjoy this cupcake

3537.86 -> and my chemo. You see, you bring happiness to this.

3541.86 -> You don't let it take you down and control you

3545.86 -> like, oh, I'm going to get chemo, it's really awful.

3549.86 -> And many times I wouldn't tell people what was wrong with me, certainly with

3553.9 -> kidney cancer and the testicular cancer. I didn't tell anybody.

3557.9 -> Not even my wife. And one day I'm going to

3561.9 -> the hospital. See, I don't want to pick up negative energy.

3565.9 -> I said, I have to go to the hospital for a few days.

3569.9 -> She said, why? Ah, I got kidney cancer.

3573.9 -> Okay, when were you going to tell me?

3577.9 -> But I keep it very private. You see, I don't want

3581.94 -> somebody's fear to be projected onto me.

3585.94 -> So I feel great. I feel great.

3589.94 -> Yeah, that's fantastic. And in your book, you also describe about

3593.94 -> how when you were working with patients that sometimes when they would have

3597.94 -> when you would diagnose them with something

3601.94 -> that you described how you would come back and say to them,

3605.94 -> oh, your condition is actually

3609.98 -> not as bad or it's much better than I originally thought

3613.98 -> and you're going to be just fine. And so I really love how you bring that

3617.98 -> positivity into working with your people,

3621.98 -> your clients, your patients. I find that

3625.98 -> levity, humor is very therapeutic.

3629.98 -> This man came in and he was in a bad car accident, banged up.

3633.98 -> Everybody's running around and I just walked up to him

3638.02 -> and I looked at him and I said, oh,

3642.02 -> they told me you were really in a bad car accident. I said, this isn't bad at all.

3646.02 -> I said, we can fix this and you'll be in the hospital for

3650.02 -> a few days, but then you'll go home. Really?

3654.02 -> Yep, you're fine. I've seen a lot worse.

3658.02 -> Then they relax. Now I can work with them. And every time

3662.02 -> I walk in, I say, yeah, I got the test back. These tests are all

3666.06 -> normal. There's one little fracture here. We're going to deal with that.

3670.06 -> Always bringing in peace, always giving power back

3674.06 -> to the patient. We're not taught that in medicine.

3678.06 -> We're taught that we're the doctor and all that soap opera

3682.06 -> stuff. We're on a soapbox. And I don't do that.

3686.06 -> I treat you like family, like friend.

3690.06 -> And when you think about it, we can

3694.1 -> do so much in medicine. If we put it with a positive attitude

3698.1 -> and I'm relaxed, my patient relaxes.

3702.1 -> The medicines work better.

3706.1 -> It's just a new way of thinking. And we're

3710.1 -> starting in medicine to learn that, to bring in

3714.1 -> compassion and letting patients have power and learning to be

3718.1 -> comfortable in working with somebody.

3722.14 -> Medical science has shown that thoughts and beliefs greatly impact

3726.14 -> a person's health, wellness, and their recovery.

3730.14 -> Absolutely. Another story, if you don't mind.

3734.14 -> This right shoulder, many months ago, I was lifting

3738.14 -> weights and I completely broke it. That was it.

3742.14 -> And I saw the surgeon. He said, Rod, this is such a bad tear.

3746.14 -> He says, I don't think I can fix this. And I said, well, why don't you just try?

3750.18 -> Well, you know, you can't make it any worse.

3754.18 -> And he said, well, okay.

3758.18 -> He said, yeah, I think I'll try. Immediately, I blessed him with love

3762.18 -> and asked for divine guidance to take care of him. And I chose

3766.18 -> to see my shoulder as healed.

3770.18 -> So this is a three-hour surgery. At 55 minutes, he was

3774.18 -> closed. I'm waking up and he's talking to me. He says,

3778.22 -> I can't believe this. That was the easiest surgery that I've

3782.22 -> ever done. I mean, the tear was four inches where you dislocated.

3786.22 -> He said, I put a stitch in. It pulled right back perfectly.

3790.22 -> 55 minutes. He was very happy.

3794.22 -> So I see him in follow-up. And when I left the hospital,

3798.22 -> he said, I hate to tell you this, but it's

3800.197 -> going to be a year before you can really use

3802.22 -> that arm again. And by the way, it's extremely painful.

3806.26 -> Immediately, I denied that thought and I pushed it back.

3810.26 -> I said, I don't accept that. My intention is to be

3814.26 -> healed and this is going to heal

3815.922 -> beautifully. And I'm going to ask the divine

3818.26 -> love and energy to help me. So just

3822.26 -> I'm now six weeks out. And I saw

3826.26 -> my friend, the doctor, and he said, well, how are you doing, Rod?

3830.26 -> I said, I'm doing great. He said, well, let's see. I said, well,

3834.3 -> yeah, I can do this.

3838.3 -> He said, I couldn't do this. He said, that's not possible.

3842.3 -> I sat down. He said, that's not possible.

3846.3 -> He said, how much narcotics are you taking? I said, I didn't take

3850.3 -> any because I decided not to have pain. I don't like pain

3854.3 -> and I don't like narcotics. So I changed my thinking that

3858.3 -> I'm already healed and I'm seeing myself as past

3862.34 -> therapy. And he was amazed at this. He's like

3866.34 -> that can't be. So I'm six weeks out. Wow.

3870.34 -> What an inspiration you are. Thank you. But I want

3874.34 -> to give that to all the people that we're talking to is

3878.34 -> we can start to change our thinking and we can start to heal our life.

3882.34 -> And it doesn't matter if it's a money issue, a relationship,

3886.34 -> it's an upset. And we're going to start to choose love

3890.38 -> and remove the blocks of fear.

3894.38 -> What do you suggest to those who are listening, who are

3898.38 -> really having a tough time in life? There's a lot of

3902.38 -> global warming going on. There are wars going on.

3906.38 -> Of course, there's a lot of good things happening as well. And like you have so

3910.38 -> succinctly illustrated for us today that we can

3914.38 -> be empowered with how we go forward in our lives. What can you suggest to these

3918.42 -> people to be able to choose and really feel love and

3922.42 -> heal their fear? There's several things.

3926.42 -> First, the most important thing is stop thinking.

3930.42 -> Stop reading the news. Stop looking at all

3934.42 -> of this as a problem and disconnect. Learn

3938.42 -> to disconnect a little bit.

3942.42 -> When you do that, that allows love to flow. So I look at

3946.46 -> the war in Russia and the Ukraine.

3950.46 -> Both sides are like little children fighting.

3952.625 -> And what they're really doing is asking

3954.46 -> for love. People have become gunmen and

3958.46 -> shoot in grocery stores. Submarines get

3962.46 -> cracked up and broken. Whatever the situation is,

3966.46 -> learn to be at peace.

3970.46 -> I stop thinking about it. I stop listening to people.

3974.5 -> Create a space for God. And I do that by just relaxing

3978.5 -> and learning to trust. Just get quiet.

3982.5 -> The second thing is you start to learn to listen.

3986.5 -> What does God have to say? If this is really important to you,

3990.5 -> you'll make time for it. And then the third thing

3994.5 -> is just to rest. Start to rest and know that the

3998.5 -> divine is going to take care of everything. I have complete faith in that.

4002.54 -> And I hear global warming and I see wars and this and that.

4006.54 -> And I always say, I choose peace instead of this.

4010.54 -> I choose to relax and I'm going to step back

4014.54 -> and let the divine walk in front of me.

4018.54 -> It takes a lot of practice and meditation is a big help.

4022.54 -> Walking in nature, being in music. Lots of different ways of

4026.54 -> doing this. But if you will, imagine

4030.58 -> you're watching a movie. A three-dimensional movie.

4034.58 -> Star Wars, for example.

4038.58 -> You're in the audience and you think you're in the movie, but you're not.

4042.58 -> You're just a viewer watching the movie

4046.58 -> and you look up above and you see the projector and then you see the film.

4050.58 -> At least in elementary school they had the big reels with the film.

4054.58 -> You realize it's all a movie

4058.62 -> and you can learn to disconnect and say, I choose peace.

4062.62 -> And I look at the insanity of the world

4066.62 -> this is hell and I

4070.62 -> can choose peace. So what I like to do

4074.62 -> is to do a healing meditation where I just get really quiet

4078.62 -> and I just let love flow from the top

4082.62 -> up my heart and it encircles the world in love

4086.66 -> and light. Because guess what? What you give

4090.66 -> as love to the world is what's given back to you. As you give

4094.66 -> so shall you receive. So I look at Putin

4098.66 -> and I say, he needs love. That's a tall order.

4102.66 -> But that's what he needs. And you say, wait a second, he's a five-year-old

4106.66 -> child having temper tantrum. He's in an adult

4110.66 -> body, but that's not really what's going on.

4114.7 -> Are you really going to scold and mistreat a five-year-old

4118.7 -> who can't understand? No, you're going to hold him and love him.

4122.7 -> Putin is crying for love.

4126.7 -> I'm going to love him. I'm going to love the Ukrainians. I'm going to love

4130.7 -> the people that have been tornados. I'm going to love the people who have been shot

4134.7 -> and hurt. It's all cries for loves in different

4138.7 -> languages. I have learned to disconnect from the movie

4142.74 -> walk out of the theater into the sunlight and say, let's bring

4146.74 -> love and light to this darkness.

4150.74 -> That's how you do it. And you start with baby steps

4154.74 -> because we've had so much training in negativity

4158.74 -> and fighting. It's a lot to unlearn.

4162.74 -> Inviting the divine in, whatever you want to call it, Buddha

4166.74 -> Christ, whatever you want to

4170.78 -> call it, it doesn't matter. You just allow love to come in

4174.78 -> and it will teach you and help you to heal these problems.

4178.78 -> Your perception is going to change and you're going to feel tremendous liberation.

4182.78 -> You're going to go, I like this.

4186.78 -> I live in peace.

4190.78 -> Stop thinking is the first thing and then go from

4194.78 -> there. Or at least slow the thoughts down, right?

4198.82 -> Absolutely. It's a proportion. It's practice.

4202.82 -> A little bit of willingness, a little bit of love

4206.82 -> it starts to grow because you're watering love and not

4210.82 -> fear. The choice is always very simple

4214.82 -> love or fear. And fear has thousands of different

4218.82 -> forms, whereas love is just one.

4222.82 -> So it gets real easy. And the nice thing about this test

4226.86 -> is if you chose fear, you learn

4230.86 -> oh, I made a mistake. I get to take the test again

4234.86 -> and I can choose love this time. And boy, doesn't that

4238.86 -> change everything? Because now you're dealing with a new

4242.86 -> perception and a new way of looking at the world.

4246.86 -> I am looking at myself with the eyes of love. I'm looking at you.

4250.86 -> I'm looking at everybody with the eyes of love.

4254.9 -> Guess what? They start to heal. They start to experience miracles and

4258.9 -> blessings. It's one by one we're going to do this.

4262.9 -> And I know there's a lot of people out there helping

4266.9 -> the whole sonship, if you will, all of us to get higher

4270.9 -> in our vibration.

4272.9 -> Whether a person identifies as being religious or spiritual

4276.9 -> they can also move forward in positivity and love.

4282.94 -> Absolutely. I love going to church.

4286.94 -> I love a choir. I like the organ, good music.

4290.94 -> I love a good sermon. In Catholicism I didn't care for

4294.94 -> the negativity and using the

4298.94 -> rosary and putting money in. I had to buy my way.

4302.94 -> No, this is an individual choice. Right now where you're sitting

4306.94 -> is holy ground. You are a divine presence and say

4310.98 -> I put my hands on my heart. I can love myself and I can feel the divine.

4314.98 -> Do you have to go to church? No.

4318.98 -> Do you have to read A Course in Miracles? No. But you do need to get quiet

4322.98 -> and allow love to flow. Well, I can do that.

4326.98 -> Can you sit for five minutes in the morning and just say I'm just going to be love

4330.98 -> and I'm going to love myself. Then I'm going to go on with my day.

4334.98 -> So, I think that churches

4339.02 -> and religions served a very good purpose. It got corrupted

4343.02 -> along the way. Many institutions do. Medicine does.

4347.02 -> We need to say, well, we've got to fix that.

4351.02 -> But let's keep the good. Let's not throw it all out.

4355.02 -> So, if reading the Bible and going to church is your

4359.02 -> pathway, by all means go on it. But realize

4363.02 -> you've got a divine partner helping you.

4367.06 -> What does he have to say? You've got to make time to listen.

4371.06 -> On that note about medicine becoming corrupt, what have your colleagues

4375.06 -> said about your experiences with the spiritual

4379.06 -> and the divine and your psychic abilities?

4383.06 -> Yeah. I didn't tell anybody about this.

4387.06 -> Everybody said, boy, you're really smart.

4391.06 -> And in my mind I would say, no, I know how to listen.

4395.1 -> I never told anybody

4399.1 -> these stories. When I do lectures,

4403.1 -> sometimes the physicians will come up and say, can I talk to you for a minute?

4407.1 -> I've had these experiences. What does that mean?

4411.1 -> Am I going crazy? Am I starting to hallucinate? Am I losing it?

4415.1 -> And I said, no, you're starting to let go and wake up.

4419.1 -> This process called enlightenment is gradual, step by step.

4423.14 -> And you're developing spiritual senses that allow you to hear

4427.14 -> and see and connect. So it's a natural process

4431.14 -> we're all going to go through. In the medical profession,

4435.14 -> we are just starting to touch

4439.14 -> on neuroplasticity and we want to be able to test

4443.14 -> and check this out, check that out. Now we find this subject of

4447.14 -> spirituality. How does that come into it?

4451.18 -> So Rene Descartes, back in the 1500s,

4455.18 -> separated mind and body. God from the body.

4459.18 -> And now we're starting to reconnect.

4463.18 -> And we're starting to hear more and more lectures on spirituality.

4467.18 -> And people in the audience, at one lecture

4471.18 -> it was in Harvard, and we were talking about this.

4475.18 -> They said, well, how many of you have had miracles? And like, a lot of hands went up.

4480.18 -> And they said, how many of you have published it or told your friends? Psst!

4484.18 -> Wow.

4488.18 -> It was surprising. It was almost 25%.

4492.18 -> And it was interesting because you watch the reaction of, okay, I put my hand up.

4496.18 -> And the guy next to me has not had these experiences. He looks at me like,

4500.18 -> there's something wrong with you.

4504.18 -> I think I'm going to move. There's still a lot of resistance

4508.18 -> to this idea. But it's becoming more and more acceptable,

4512.18 -> more and more mainstream. Because people like me,

4516.18 -> other doctors are starting to speak. I had a near-death experience.

4520.18 -> I'm going to talk about it.

4524.18 -> So now it's like baby steps.

4528.18 -> And there's going to be more and more of these episodes

4532.18 -> and more and more of spirituality coming into medicine.

4536.18 -> We were not taught that. We were not taught

4540.18 -> how to help someone leave this world.

4544.18 -> Death means a failure on your part.

4548.18 -> Okay. No.

4552.18 -> The real answer is, can I make this transition very peaceful and smooth?

4556.18 -> You're going to lay down this body, very dense energy, very low vibration,

4560.18 -> and you're going to go to very high vibration and pure love.

4564.18 -> But we're not taught how to do that.

4568.18 -> We're taught, if you've seen this, you're crazy.

4572.18 -> And that's been the way of medicine for all the pioneers.

4576.18 -> It pushed away first, and then eventually,

4580.18 -> I'd love to see medicine in a hundred years.

4584.18 -> So you talked earlier about shamanism.

4588.18 -> That's a lot of what I'm doing, is that technique of

4592.18 -> there's more to life than just this body.

4596.18 -> How can we help you to align your thinking with the divine being that you truly are?

4600.18 -> And the more in line you get, the closer you get,

4604.18 -> and pretty soon, I can't tell where Emmy is and God is.

4608.18 -> All I see is love.

4612.18 -> And you walk in love. You're protected.

4616.18 -> And you're going, it's so easy now.

4620.18 -> You don't have to do this alone.

4624.18 -> This life is hard enough. You don't have to do it alone.

4628.18 -> With the advancements in medicine, there have been more life-sustaining measures

4632.18 -> that you as physicians can take, and therefore, people are having

4636.18 -> more experiences, such as having a near-death,

4640.18 -> where, like you mentioned with some of your stories, a person flatlines,

4644.18 -> but then they come back to life. And these can be great examples

4648.18 -> of how we are more than just our bodies,

4652.18 -> that our consciousness does continue on in the afterlife.

4656.18 -> There are times that there are people who question

4660.18 -> that these phenomena

4664.18 -> of a near-death experience or a shared-death experience

4668.18 -> can simply be because of a hallucination or from a medicine.

4672.18 -> So you as a physician, how do you respond to that?

4676.18 -> The way I look at it, it's like going to sleep.

4680.18 -> And there are several stages of sleep. The deepest is delta.

4684.18 -> Your body is paralyzed. You're barely alive.

4688.18 -> You're barely breathing.

4692.18 -> Now, in near-death experiences, in my experiences,

4696.18 -> my mind didn't go to sleep. I stayed awake.

4700.18 -> And when you do that, you float.

4704.18 -> So however you got there,

4708.18 -> was it drugs? Was it illness?

4712.18 -> Does it matter? You got there. And you had this experience

4716.18 -> of waking up. Your conscious mind

4720.18 -> stayed awake. Your body mind, your human mind

4724.18 -> stayed asleep and went to sleep.

4728.18 -> We had a lady who had a heart attack.

4732.18 -> She's like 40 years old, on the mountains here, hiking.

4736.18 -> And we got her back. And she was very angry

4740.18 -> and said, Why did you bring me back? Why did you...

4744.18 -> It was so beautiful. I was so happy. And now I'm in this body,

4748.18 -> stuck again. Why did you bring me back?

4752.18 -> Well, that's my job. But people, when they have

4756.18 -> these experiences, these transitions,

4760.18 -> or they touch spirituality,

4764.18 -> they're always in a very quiet state.

4768.18 -> The mind, the active thinking, the monkey chatter, has been

4772.18 -> totally suppressed. However you get there, a stroke,

4776.18 -> medicines, it doesn't matter to me.

4780.18 -> What matters is you had the experience, and you touched

4784.18 -> the divine. It goes back to the story

4788.18 -> of the orange. They got to taste the orange, and now they know.

4792.18 -> And whether the orange is brought to them on a silver platter,

4796.18 -> or on a donkey, or I walk them and say, Here!

4800.18 -> How you got there, to me, doesn't matter. What matters

4804.18 -> is afterwards what you did with it, how you

4808.18 -> experience it. Now, the hardcore

4812.18 -> scientists say, I need to measure this, analyze it, figure it out.

4816.18 -> You can't do it. You can't. Because once you cross

4820.18 -> into spirit, you become one with the divine. There is no more body.

4824.18 -> There is no more ego. You are pure love.

4828.18 -> There is no time. There is no space. It's all

4832.18 -> gone. You're unlimited. Your mind is bigger than the

4836.18 -> Milky Way. For people who have a limited mindset,

4840.18 -> they can't understand it. It's truly oil and water.

4844.18 -> It's just, until, unless they really

4848.18 -> want to come see me in the ER, I'll give them a shot, and I'll stop their

4852.18 -> heart, and maybe they can have a near-death experience, and

4856.18 -> go, Now I get it, a hahahaha.

4860.18 -> Rod, thank you so much for all that you've shared with us today. Are there any

4864.18 -> final thoughts you have on your

4868.18 -> psychic and spiritual stories as a doctor?

4872.18 -> I would say to everyone, you are all mystics.

4876.18 -> You all have this capability. It was taken away from you,

4880.18 -> and you think you can't do it. But the truth is, once you learn to

4884.18 -> relax, and let go, and rest, and trust, you're going

4888.18 -> to awaken these spiritual gifts, and you're going to find that you can start

4892.18 -> to heal your life, and heal your mind, and that you can walk in

4896.18 -> peace. Then what's going to happen is you're going to turn around

4900.18 -> and give it to your brother behind you, and you're going to be a benediction to this

4904.18 -> world. So you can all do this. I'm not special.

4908.18 -> It's just practice. It's just love. Letting love flow.

4912.18 -> Very beautiful. Thank you.

4916.18 -> I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation today. Thank you for everything you've

4920.18 -> shared with us, and I hope we can have more conversations in the future.

4924.18 -> Oh, it'd be fun. It'd be fun. I wish

4928.18 -> everyone well. My blessings of peace to you all. Thank you.

4932.18 -> Thank you for being with us, Rod. And for those of you listening or

4936.18 -> watching, thank you for being with us.

4958.18 -> I imagine that by now

4962.18 -> many of you already realize that, in conjunction

4966.18 -> with White Crow Books, we've just launched the New

4970.18 -> Thinking Allowed Dialogues book imprint. Our first

4974.18 -> title is, Is There Life After Death?

4978.18 -> On June 1st, we just released issue number 2 of the New

4982.18 -> Thinking Allowed quarterly magazine. You can download a free copy

4986.18 -> at the New Thinking Allowed Foundation website, newthinkingallowed.org

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US_gawvhmfc