Welcome to Happy Healthy Homo! | S1 E1
Welcome to Happy Healthy Homo! | S1 E1
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3.78 -> hello and welcome to happy healthy homo hello
I'm Keegan and I'm Joel yes you are and he's my
11.1 -> boyfriend I'm his boyfriend he is and yeah I mean
everyone watching this currently already knows
16.62 -> who we are I feel like we don't need to intro it
but it's good to have an intro isn't it yeah it's
21.96 -> because of an intro definitely when we finally
revealed the name of of the project that we've
26.34 -> been working on yeah this is our project our
podcast happy healthy homo I mean the clue is
32.88 -> in the title yeah we just got asked arriving at
the studio oh what's the podcast about and we're
37.68 -> both like and couldn't describe it but actually
the title of it describes it doesn't it yeah Ace
45.18 -> I think we've become uh the conversations
that we've had we've become very aware that
51.96 -> there's lots of people who are lots of gay men
particularly like disillusioned with the gay
58.56 -> community yeah and I don't know why I did that uh
with the gay community gay community yeah right
66.72 -> um with the gay community and and uh the
the Norms now they are appropriate because
72.06 -> they're not necessarily normal yeah you know and
standards and the hypocrisy of it as well you know
79.5 -> of of how discriminatory it is how exclusive it
can be when it talks about being inclusive and
86.22 -> welcoming to all yeah um and we've put a lot of
content about that out lately aren't we and it's
92.4 -> been getting a lot of traction we thought you
know what there's something here and because we
98.4 -> don't subscribe to a lot of stuff that's viewed
as the normal behavior or what's going on and we
105.42 -> thought well you know maybe there can be another
narrative maybe they can be another a voice of
110.7 -> a reason yeah definitely we hate it when people
think that there is a certain way to be gay yeah
116.94 -> and oh you're gay that means you have to go out
partying every weekend that means you have to take
121.62 -> loads of drugs that means you have to be really
promiscuous and sleep around it means or whatever
125.7 -> it might not even be as serious yeah but you love
musicals I mean obviously you love drag queens
131.4 -> yes you do you love drivers you've got
drag queen fatigue yeah it hasn't everyone
138.84 -> but yeah so these this idea that there's a set
way to live behave relationships you know all
151.44 -> this stuff that's now Perpetual oh yeah people
aren't popping on about is open relationships
155.82 -> I know I'm all right thanks yeah um and I will
save that for another episode yeah that can be
161.76 -> another episode so the the challenge for us is
like how do we structure this this podcast in a
168.12 -> way where we can address different issues in each
episode um so you guys can help with that you can
173.52 -> obviously email us we've got an email address
yeah hello at happyhealthyhomo.com so you can
180.3 -> email us your ideas and things like that and we
are all over the socials as well yeah while we're
185.58 -> on Instagram Tick Tock happy healthy homo yeah
on all of those as well as our personal pages
190.68 -> but just to snowball on what you've said as well
obviously we make videos on YouTube I'm a YouTuber
197.4 -> have been for years you are a YouTuber uh it's
not a thing have you just made that up yeah I
203.64 -> like that it's good in it you're a YouTuber I'm
a YouTuber um but people we get lots of comments
209.28 -> going this is amazing like this is like you guys
are just normal and again we have a weird view
216.12 -> of like I don't really like to say normal yeah we
don't I don't really we've actually yeah we've had
220.8 -> discussions about the word normal haven't we John
we have and we will have more discussions about
224.58 -> that because I love seeing normal Keegan hates I'm
not a fan of the word normal but people are like
229.26 -> oh my gosh you two are just two regular guys and
you never see this and of all the gay vloggers on
234.12 -> there you two are the most real and it's not that
we're trying to be sorry this sounds like such a
239.28 -> humble break not that we've tried but I'm like
no a lot of gay relationships are like this it's
245.52 -> just the the ones that get the most attention
and the ones that shout the loudest yeah tend
249.78 -> to be the most extremes yeah and not many people
can relate to those extremes and then think that
255.84 -> that is the the standard that is the expectation
and then I as as gay men and not every not again
265.02 -> not generalizing at all points not generalizing
but for a lot of gay men and for what I do is
270.9 -> you know coaching in particular gay guys
yeah that I will our lived experience is
279.48 -> unique to us as a community you know we don't
share our minority status with our parents we
287.46 -> there's there's a lot of Shame and um you
know over the over the like generational
297.9 -> shame that's kind of come down through you
know there's the generation that grew grew
302.1 -> up through through the AIDS epidemic you know
growing up through the 90s through Section 28
309.42 -> um you know every everything that's that's going
on now with laws been repealed does a gay but Bill
315.42 -> in America chechnya you know all these things
going on across the world that you know it's
321.42 -> still illegal in countries across the world and
punishable by death to be to be gay you know there
329.58 -> there is a lot tied in with how you are born yeah
right and again that again that's I think you're
335.22 -> born geared I think you get to choose yeah because
I know from my experience and from a lot of
339.66 -> people's experience originally I would have chosen
not to Big Air yeah now I love being here yeah
346.32 -> like I'm very comfortable in my own skin now but
once upon a time that was not the case and I think
351 -> our lived expert so we do talk to each other for
help the gay community is important yeah and it's
357.18 -> important that it's supportive and it's helpful
and it's Progressive and that doesn't mean that it
364.08 -> has to be you know holy than thou no and because
you know we can go and do what we want to do but
371.22 -> I think the the idea that there's a one-size-fits
all in any Walk of Life yeah is preposterous yeah
379.56 -> but it's so easy to get blindsided that especially
with social media yeah you know especially when
385.02 -> you follow you page or your search page on
Instagram is just full of these idealistic yeah
391.8 -> um you know couples who look like they carved out
a granite and they think they've got it all yeah
395.82 -> it's really easy to look at someone go I'm not
that yeah I ain't got that well that's the bias
400.38 -> as well of social media platforms themselves
that the algorithm you know the meme where it
404.7 -> says like long that it took me 10 years to work
out I was gay and it took Tick Tock all of three
409.62 -> seconds yeah but like as soon as the algorithm on
tick tock is like oh this is a gay guy suddenly
416.22 -> on for you Pages full of topless guys dancing
and these yeah as if that's what you want to
420.6 -> see and like obviously we can all admire a nice
body where it's like I also have other interests
425.88 -> yeah but this is the thing right the algorithm
brings up what people want yeah and that's why
432.84 -> you train it and that's why yeah but it's always
that's why it's always full of people who are in
438.48 -> great shape because whether you're straight
a gear anything else man woman anybody else
445.2 -> everybody wants to look and feel good not to
post everywhere everybody wants to be healthy
450.54 -> that is like an aspirational thing for everybody
so that's why it comes up a lot and that's why
455.58 -> it gets pushed on the algorithm and yeah but
I think we're probably not going to change
461.4 -> that no I don't think you know because these
social media Giants are gonna that's how they
467.52 -> work for sure but what we what we I think what
we want to do certainly with this podcast is
473.58 -> maybe maybe you know 10x thinking yeah um is help
we should have just explained that by the way 10x
482.34 -> thinking I learned at YouTube where they were
like 10x thinking is what they used to discover
488.46 -> new products that they Google can make and it's
like think of an idea and times it by 10 and
493.62 -> they're like you're never saying no to an idea
even if it's stupid yeah like you just say it
498.36 -> as even yeah even if it's so grandiose yes it's
like Preposterous yeah you could but you just go
504.24 -> yeah yeah you know the this podcast could be
uh revolutionary and it could but I you know
512.34 -> I mean that would be amazing but yeah as a
minimum what I'd love it to do is to start people
519.18 -> thinking that there's a there's an alternative
yeah rather than measuring success in how many
526.68 -> albums you can see yeah and how many you
know grinder hookups you can get or how many
534.48 -> um how much even how you know how much money you
earn that is oh it's on so you know deeper more
541.56 -> meaningful metrics yeah you know your health your
well-being your connections your friendships your
550.86 -> what you do within a community whether that's the
gay community whether that's your local community
555.18 -> your gamer and makes you get whatever it is yeah
you know that's the it's I feel like social media
565.26 -> is so good and it's I'm I'm I do think it's a
Force for good and obviously it can be a bit of
572.7 -> a double-edged sword but I think it it what it has
done which is a real bad thing is that it's taken
580.32 -> away new new ones and people think that something
is this or it's this yeah it's black or it's what
587.46 -> the two things can't be true at the same time it's
either my thing is true or your thing is true and
592.74 -> everything is like a zero-sum game I I win you
lose and yeah it doesn't have to be like that
597.24 -> we can all win there's lots of you know abundance
mindset there's lots of stuff to go around yeah
603.72 -> and I think it's I think people need reminding
of that yeah I think people need reminding that
609.96 -> there's not like we said earlier one size fits are
one way to do things well particularly as new gays
616.56 -> or people that have newly come out and come into
terms with their sexuality they're navigating the
620.22 -> gay world and when I say it begins baby gays but
as we say that you think of like a 16 year old
627.42 -> who's just come out but from your experience with
ptiq there are a lot of older guys that came out
632.7 -> I mean me and you came out in our late 20s yeah um
and there are guys out there who are still coming
638.1 -> out into their 50s 60s yeah I've had clients
who've come out in their 50s and 60s their 40s
643.5 -> and it's those people that I've had conversations
with some of them you have to like in our life not
648.42 -> just ptiq members but where people have gone like
I just don't know where I fit because I'm I'm old
655.2 -> or older because I'm not in shape because I don't
have a lot of money because I'm I'm not that like
660.78 -> I'm not a big personality or I'm not they give
themselves all these excuses because they think
665.34 -> they need all the things yeah in order to fit
in and so I feel like this podcast is just us
670.68 -> providing an alternative to go you don't need
to do that well it's yeah it's challenging those
675.36 -> narratives that like age like yeah is there a
community more ages than the gecko unit if you're
682.08 -> over 35 you might as well be dead yeah um and if
you're single and 35 then you'd you're done but
690.54 -> I mean I just find it I I maybe this is because
I'm like a big history geek and I'm like learning
696.9 -> about the past but there's X there's so these
men who are in their 40s 50s 60s 70s have gone
706.38 -> through so much obviously in the world the world
has changed but yeah the the society at large has
713.46 -> changed so much uh attitudes towards gay people a
lot even laws around you know if you're 70 years
719.76 -> old you will have lived through in the UK you
will have lived through the decriminalization
724.56 -> of homosexuality yeah you will have you know
might have been around for the wolfenden report
729.24 -> you might have um you there when section 28
was launched by Thatcher in 88 you were that
736.14 -> was very good I only know that because it's
the same year as my birth when I was born
740.76 -> um he's 35. yeah he's dead and you know there's
all the the AIDS epidemic all these things that
752.58 -> have you know first prize and things like
that these are people that we should be going
757.38 -> because even as you said that I feel now
imposter syndrome of going how am I I'm
768.54 -> 31 you're 35. with how are we qualified
to be doing this podcast but I know that
773.94 -> the alternative then is that this podcast
doesn't get made yeah so we've had to fight
778.62 -> those battles in our own head of going no no
we have got something to say we're also not
782.7 -> perfect and we're not necessarily saying
that what we're saying is the right way
789.66 -> um is the right way we're just offering an
alternative 100 yeah and we will call out what
795.06 -> we believe to be unhealthy behaviors and there
will be some that gays out there that go I don't
799.08 -> think that's unhealthy so we might ruffle a few
feathers feathers feathers in it bro yeah yeah
807.3 -> exactly we that was a conversation we had about
starting this podcast was can we do this yeah
814.8 -> are we qualified but who who who is qualified and
yeah you know for for me I know that once people
823.26 -> start watching this and people start getting
in touch with us and talking about this or even
826.92 -> challenging things that we've said so that then it
gives us another perspective on it yeah you know
831.78 -> I'm sure that this will be a learning process for
us as well and something that you know we we might
837.36 -> have thought that we were really yeah figured out
yeah and then you go well maybe that not be and I
843.84 -> mean again that probably is a thing if you think
you've got something completely figured out you're
847.2 -> probably gonna get a bit in the backside aren't
you but but we all have those firm beliefs we've
852.3 -> I feel everyone has some beliefs that they hold
like very firmly and other people ha and then we
857.7 -> also have beliefs that are a bit more malleable
so I feel like we'll be honest when there are
862.92 -> things where we go this is what I think I could be
wrong and maybe but there will also be times where
868.8 -> I'm just like I I this is a hill I will die on I
do not think that's healthy and I don't care if
874.86 -> someone's offended by that because actually I'm
so passionate about providing this alternative
881.46 -> we hate lifestyle no but I'm just saying I feel
passionate about standing up for my community
887.46 -> which is the gays that go I don't fit in with
with the gays I don't want to go out partying
892.68 -> I don't want to be in an open relationship I
don't want to just spend a million dollars on my
897.06 -> body stuffing it full of filler and like chiseled
abs and all these things I mean I would like just
902.16 -> to be honest well nobody's gonna say no tomorrow
but do you know it's not the be-all and end all
906.48 -> is what we're saying there that that's the hill I
will die on because I'm like well I'd rather give
909.78 -> a voice to these people than like the popular
kids in the gay community yeah we're taking
916.68 -> taking back control we're taking back we're going
to the back of the bus this is a revolution and
921.48 -> we're kicking the cool kids yeah you've you've
not done a good job now we're moving you on you
926.58 -> haven't you've not created a healthy environment
for your community it's all old hands let's all
931.98 -> hold let's bake a cake with smiles and sunshine
gays do love bacon is banana bread banana bread
939 -> yeah guys and banana bread okay that was a thing
in lockdown yeah well I thought everyone made
943.02 -> banana bread in lockdown I didn't you didn't
no I meant sourdough uh classic it's okay
949.68 -> um it was easy because there's no yeast yeah
you've got the air bubbles in it yeah we've
956.04 -> digressed yeah sourdough guys well that's what you
can expect as well just little little tangents as
964.26 -> well about sourdough sometimes yeah I think
sourdough is over yeah I'm willing to die
973.2 -> so Keegan is there a topic that you're excited to
cover in a upcoming episode of happy healthy Homer
981.24 -> I don't know I don't know about excited I think
or passionate about particularly well obviously
987.36 -> health and and uh body image and beauty standards
things like that I am I am passionate about that
995.52 -> yeah um health is wealth well but it is and it
you know I I am passionate about that and I think
1002.48 -> there's a lot of I think it carries with it a lot
of again it carries with it a lot of Shame people
1008.66 -> can often feel embarrassed about their body are
not living up to a particular standard and I think
1014.36 -> um we need to take that away as as a coach yeah
that's what I try to do but also as someone who
1022.58 -> puts out content into the world yeah you know is
to try and the the aim of me putting something
1029.78 -> out into the world I I believe rightly or
wrongly is to is to make the world a better
1035.06 -> place is to add something to somebody I would
hate for someone to watch my content and go
1041.48 -> that's made me feel [ __ ] I suppose sometimes
what triggers you as your therapist and sometimes
1048.02 -> that's something that you need to lean into
but that I'm I'm I'm passionate about that I am
1054.38 -> trepidatious I love that word thank you
I'm trepidatious uh about I just think
1062.24 -> some of the conversations will there'll be
I can just I can see the comments already
1066.68 -> uh the ruffling of the feathers I think
relationships will be a Hot Topic it will be
1072.5 -> um and those are the topics I'm looking forward to
is like dating and relationships I mean you're an
1080.42 -> expert on Dean and so I'm also looking forward
to hearing about Jill's uh dating experience I
1086.18 -> just took it very seriously and I I mean we we
came from different backgrounds of you've been
1092.06 -> slightly more of a relationship guy obviously
you've been on dates and you have been single
1096.98 -> occasionally but it's like you've been more on the
relationship side and I've been more on The Dating
1102.26 -> side so we've come from different angles so I
think that will be interesting to discuss but
1106.34 -> you're right it will trigger people or ruffle
some feathers but I don't at this juncture I'm
1113.54 -> like I don't really because I again know that
I'm in the right and I could be wrong we are in
1120.2 -> the right as in it's in line with your how are
you feeling things that's not to say that it's
1126.38 -> not right for somebody else but yeah but it's
when that is forced on people so I'll give you
1132.38 -> an example and maybe this is spilling too much
tea immediately and I feel like I get cancer
1136.46 -> but I was on another podcast a few years ago uh
with gay guys there was four of us and I was the
1143.12 -> new one and in the first season I wasn't in the
first season I was in the second season and in
1147.56 -> the first season I was just a fan a listener and
they had someone on that basically said that gay
1154.58 -> people there is no place for a gay person with
monogamous relationships monogamy was designed
1159.62 -> for straight people and gay people shouldn't be
monogamous and all of the hosts all four of them
1166.7 -> were like yeah yeah even though now I know them
all of them are monogamous and they all sat there
1171.86 -> were like yeah no that's true and and I said to
them when I was in the studio I was like the only
1176.48 -> episode I had an issue with was that one why did
none of you challenge him why didn't any of you
1180.32 -> go oh really like I don't believe that and no one
did and I'm like I am willing to be someone who
1187.64 -> challenges people because even though I don't like
confrontation if I'm passionate about something
1192.5 -> confrontation so um yeah I mean you've seen it
if I get a beam up on it um in fact it happened
1201.8 -> once where I put someone in their place and then
Keegan took me aside and went that was really hot
1206 -> I've never seen you do that before do you
remember what it was no I have to tell you
1212.66 -> it was early doors early doors with us but
anyway so um it's something like that I'm
1218.18 -> like I'm not just gonna let that slide
again I'm not gonna like censor someone
1221.66 -> if if someone wants to come on and talk
about monogamy and how it's not for gay
1225.8 -> people then yeah we're willing to ever enough
yeah we're open to conversation we're open to
1230.54 -> conversations but I'm also happy to sit here
and go you're wrong yeah we're not fascists
1237.98 -> we're not again it's not about trying to
impose a certain way of doing things on
1249.62 -> on other people it's just about saying well that's
one way of doing it yeah this is another way and
1254.84 -> there's going to be a million other ways or just
make informed decisions that's what people don't
1260.42 -> do they say they want to tick tock and they go
oh someone who's got a million he's got a million
1266.66 -> likes said I should be in an open relationship and
he's fit so I believe him and I'm going to do that
1272.66 -> and don't like not another thought goes through
the red and then six months down the line they've
1278.84 -> been pursuing it's something that's not actually
in line with their values and their beliefs and
1284 -> then there's this Distortion of I don't I don't
feel like I whenever you don't feel like you're
1289.52 -> fitting it's because you're not acting in
line with your value yeah you're not yeah
1293.72 -> you're not being true to yourself whether it's
to your values to your morals to your beliefs to
1297.74 -> whatever you know a big thing and I I find like
the whole chem sex thing scene culture I think
1308.42 -> it's really destructive and I think especially for
a community where sex growing up can be so taboo
1315.08 -> you know hiding and you know people and then
you go to do something sex should be something
1321.86 -> that you enjoy and present for and present for
yeah like mentally present as well as physically
1326.72 -> you kind of need to be physically present yeah
uh well Zoom uh yeah you know that people are
1335.36 -> told that this is you need to get off your head
and you need to sleep with x amount of people in
1339.38 -> one night and maybe not recall it and consent is
blurred and if you if sex should be three things
1347.42 -> it should be it should be consensual it should
be safe and it should make you feel good and I
1355.7 -> don't feel like cam sex is taking all those boxes
well yeah that would be a really big topic it's
1360.08 -> not something I know anything about so it'll be
interesting to maybe we'll even get someone on who
1365.96 -> who knows a bit about the destructiveness of it
yeah but yeah awesome one was an advocate for it
1375.44 -> well that is what you can expect from this podcast
guys I hope that that was a detailed enough
1380.24 -> introduction to what happy healthy homo is we're
also hoping to get a website up and running yeah
1385.64 -> I mean we have the domains and no one go out there
and try and steal it we've already got it yeah but
1389.84 -> it'd be great to have a hub yeah exactly that's
what we want to do we want to create a hub where
1394.64 -> you know we want to promote gay businesses and
you know if people want to Source something that's
1402.62 -> you know we might have Gale holiday destinations
advertised on there or like say gear businesses or
1410.36 -> um guest sports teams or you know things like
that where people can go yeah I can find the
1415.88 -> things that I need it's all in one place it's
legit and you know you're being directly linked
1422.24 -> with people from your community yeah who
I suppose if you're watching happy healthy
1427.22 -> homie you have similar values beliefs you know
you you you're on the same similar page to us
1433.82 -> and hopefully those people will be as well
and we can um connect people life is about
1438.68 -> people and it isn't it we just want to be
happy we want to be healthy and we want to
1443.42 -> be homeless oh yeah I actually I wanted to
say the the reason that because when we came
1448.34 -> up with a title Joel said happy healthy and
homo and I said to drop the and yeah because
1457.82 -> when I grew up I I found it really difficult
to be a rugby player and obviously I was gay
1463.16 -> but I was in denial about being gay um because
I didn't think they could both exist at the same
1468.44 -> time yeah and I think there's a lot of people
out there who don't think who don't think that
1472.64 -> you can be gay yeah and you can be healthy and
happier when I have had that from my Christian
1476.54 -> yeah exactly as well so we've had that on both
sides that would be interesting to unpack as
1481.34 -> well yeah so that's why it's called healthy
happy homo because you can be a healthy Homer
1487.88 -> you just said healthy happy which was also another
discussion I was like happy has to come first oh
1492.56 -> yeah happy happy with our health yeah um although
you could argue that health is having anywhere
1499.04 -> um but yeah happy healthy homework because you can
be all three things yeah and they do not have to
1504.26 -> be separate from each other they don't have to be
in only one area of your life you know as someone
1510.2 -> who's gone from considering taking their own
life at the thought of being gay too now doing
1516.92 -> a podcast about being gay and happy and healthy
yeah I feel like I've come on a very long journey
1522.92 -> so that is why I feel qualified that's hardly
about it definitely and you can just stick at
1527.12 -> IMA in front of it I mean if you are a gay man I
can see the t-shirts already I'm a health happy
1532.64 -> healthy homo see I nearly got the name wrong again
yeah t-shirts t-shirts t-shirts Speedos match more
1539.42 -> people don't like people say you you've got to
wear Speedos you don't have to SP you don't have
1543.26 -> to be the keto keto Keegan loves the speedo keto
that's her name wear Speedos because I wear them
1549.74 -> under my Rugby kit to keep everything in place
I think jock straps are weird yeah anyway good
1555.98 -> diagrams anyway guys thank you for watching we are
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1566.12 -> could give us a rating on wherever you get your
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1572.66 -> uh social media Savvy people you know what you're
doing yeah like do the subscribing the liking the
1578.72 -> sharing would help us out yeah a rating next time
for uh for an episode should I tell them what the
1584.36 -> next episode is going to be just so they can get
real excited um it's gonna be on body image shock
1591.92 -> shock what we thought start strong is something
we've both had experiences with but particularly
1597.8 -> you because you are coach I am and you work with
people day in day out who want to change their
1604.46 -> relationship to themselves and their body and
improve their health absolutely anyway absolutely
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